Weapon Switching - How I get my high ...
Hi all,
I am posting up a video showing how I have been dominating the leaderboards on WM recently. This is the proof to all the people who would rather call me a cheater than try and do better than me, and by proxy actually complimenting me and looking stupid in the process themselves.
Doc Shmok has now tried to accuse me of cheating twice. For someone who apparently knows the game inside out he still has a lot to learn. I provided evidence last time to prove my innocence and I am doing so again now. Doc Shmok - here's laughing at you, kid. Good fun to see you getting so worked up over a game.
By acting so superior all you have done is proven how small minded you can be. I feel sorry for you and Rogotin both to be honest. You've spent so much more time on this game than I have yet I am the one who out did you, and so spectacularly that you didn't think I could even do it legitimately. Hilarious stuff, really is. hahahahahahaa.
The crux of the way to get higher scores is to utilise weapon switching between the XBow and the BladeStaff. By doing this successfully you can get an extra combo on each orc which is a MASSIVE difference in the score. You lose out a little by performing a combat kill instead of letting the traps finish the job but the difference is still worth it.
Here's what I try to do:
1. When the orcs approach the killbox, use the bladestaff. Stand at the back or offset on your trap by the tar, so that the orcs get effected by as many traps as possible.
2. When the orc steps onto the tar/grinder quickly switch to the Xbow and finish the job.
3. Switch back onto the bladestaff again for more combo building.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BahSCu3ezec
it's a dead simple process but i've not seen anyone else doing this as a full on strat.
When the orcs are thicker, you need to spend more time on the Xbow to stop the grinder getting jammed up. you basically need to utilise every moment that you would be uselessly swinging the blade staff to the Xbow instead, back and forth to get the most combo points.
Before you get all your traps etc setup you will find that the Xbox is generally better. Once all the traps are in place you will spend more time on the Bladestaff as the orcs don't jam up the grinder as much.
Using this with the right killbox traps can allow you to score 9x combos on the orcs occasionally, and pretty consistent 7x and 8x combos. Even with the barricades you can still pull off 11x Combos on the ogres with this as well.
Vid is 17 mins away!
Have you even once checked one of his videos? The proof is in there. For academicly inclined people, Rogotin and you jump to conclusions easily. Yes, those times ARE sketchy, but the timing is quite likely to be bugged in certain cases. It's a meaningless statistic at best, not an absolute truth (unless you can debug the source code for this yourself, which I doubt you can). It has been a nice-to-have feature in the development process.
There is a difference between a good tactician and a good player. Rogotin and you have proven time and again to be excellent tacticians, but hhh applies those tactics better than you two. And he brings a little something of his own on top of those tactics, beating your scores.
Have read a thousand threads like this ***OMG WTF he must be cheating!!!!! if he can get them Times/Scores/Kills/Stats which ever the case may be.
Generally they turn out to be the player is just better at playing the game.
The thing for me here is that Doc and Rogo spend Hours and Hours analysing the game ....... how can they improve this little bit here and how can they improve that little bit there. Problem being all the time your analyising this and that using Onslaughts is that your not PRACITSING the levels/game. Your not seeing the differences in game in different situations your always working in a sterile situation that does not allow for enough variation.
Its time to accept that your not the best "Gamers" in the world you may have all the theories and Stats but you dont have the best feel for the actual gameplay
So does us all a favour and stop crying CHEAT CHEAT CHEAT all the time and give people credit for just being better "Gamers" than you are because at the moment you sound like a thousand other bad losers on a thousand other forums
That's fine. Just looks funny. Maybe Robots system is screwed then. Still it's just him suddenly again out of all people I checked. Hence I checked all other people to make sure that's only him. There was one 0.00.
I played with onslaughts they don't seem to change the time.
Maybe his system clock is screwed.
Point being with all the obvious cheaters screwing up the leaderboards it's just not fun so I am out of here.
Doc, seriously, I respect you for all the great thing you've done for us, and this game. Also, I can't blame you for raising suspision when someone keeps beating highscores over and over again, especially when knowing there's so many cheaters out there. I can honestly say I was a bit suspicious too....damn dude beat my high score by such a large marging my ego was instantly reduced to rubbish. But when HHH posted screenshots of his score, that was enough proof for me. Hey, he is just better at this game than I am.
The thing I don't like however is that you're balsy enough to go out, and publicly call someone a cheater, and when you're proven wrong you fail to apologise. In stead you go "boohooo there's so many cheaters, this is no fun, I'm outa here". Come on mate, at least be man enough to admit you were wrong, and apologise. HHH has proven to really be the better player when it comes to highscoring, so give the guy some credit.
HHH, props for figuring out a strategy to consistently beat each and every one of us! Thank you sir for giving us a new challenge every time we think we're on top.
Thanks Snooze, described it better than I could!
The thing I still don't get to this day is why Rogotin and Doc Shmok were so hostile towards me. I normally get on well with people but those two seemed to have it in for me for some reason. At least if I do come across someone on the Internet I don't get on with (happens, internet is a big place) then they are normally adult enough not to be antagonistic. I don't see the need to get into arguments that can't be won with people that can't be reasoned with. It's just a massive waste of time.
I am pleased to say that this behaviour has been viewed by lots of people today though and is about to be proven for what it is. Baseless accusations of cheating which I can only assume is fuelled by jealousy. Or something else? I don't know.
Vid is a few mins away.
Actually everyone here was doing a good job. The time stats are messed up and the situation seemed a little odd. People were justified in wondering if somthing was fishy. This wasn't just one score but multiples. So, good job keeping an eye on things.
HungryHungryHipp kept his cool and didn't get into a flaming match. I commend him for this... Hard to not get mad when the scores are legit. He provided the strat and is uploading a video to prove it. He didn't have to supply that info to the public. He could have just sent it to the devs for evaluation.
Stay Classy guys. We all have skills and strats that we share to make each other better players. Some of you crunch numbers((Doc), others build great boxes and have theories.(Rogotin), and some of you delvelop great tactics(Hungryhungryhipp).
You are some of the best OMD! players in the world. Now go and set some high scores.
Later, Radiokenny
I think i'm the only other case that you can see a screwy "best time" on. my hard climb wm is 0.00.
I've never cheated, never downloaded a trainer, never ran onslaught files untill the tourny and the only onslaught file i ran was the baths so how i got a 0.00 time I have no idea. IMO the time stat is provided by steam and i've seen other stats fom steam screwy so i don't think it's an issue. It might have to do with you crap internet connection and steam who knows.
Hungry keep up the good work, your's and others videos is the only reason why i'm in the top 20 on some maps and still not even close to your scores.
I think the best way for me to describe what I am trying to point out here is to compare to my first love which is Golf.
Lets take a look at the very best players in the world they ALL have coaches that teach them how to improve. So this begs the question if the best player in the world goes to a coach to teach him to be better then surely the coach must be a better player than he is.
This is not true because the Player will shoot a lower score than the Coach because he has the best Ability/Feel for the game so this then begs the question surely then if he has the best ability/feel for the game then he must be a better coach.
This will also know is untrue because the Coach understands the physics/geometry of the game better then the player does so therefore he is able to communicate this info to the student better that the Player would be able to do so.
And here is the best part neither can succeed without the other ..... why because the Player needs the Coach to show him the best Techniques/Strategies and the Coach needs the Player because the player can perform the Techniques/Strategies better and therefore the Coach learns more about the game and can refine the Techniques/Strategies to maximise the performance.
So why dont we all put our toys back in our prams and work together to make the best score we possibly can and ALL take credit for our input into solving the puzzle.
Peace!!!!
Video is in processing mode, 95% - should be done soon I hope. Then prepare your mind to be blown :D
EDIT - for whatever reason even though it said 95% it was done, it still says 95% but I linked it anyway seems to work.
wow just watched it...
Amazing! It seems that the graphics do not keep up. The war mage stands there with his sword in the air, seemingly idle, but you can see you switch back and forth all the time in the item bar and you keep on hitting orcs. I'm an XBOX-player myself and this tactic cannot be done as easily with a controller, I think.
2 words spring to mind
Effin Awesome
I am sure the double Apologies will come in shortly :)
The video http://youtu.be/BahSCu3ezec
And I commend Hippo for sharing. This is what its all about, utilizing all knowledge and strategy we've gathered/shared here and adding a tweak and increasing the results by leaps and bounds. My best runds produced 1 regular orc 9x and maybe 5-10 8x's. The weapon switching absolutely works as you can see here. And Ogre isolation seems to be another new staple in breaking score plateaus. I will end by saying bravo sir and sorry I let the "cheater fear" take hold of me. You got skills son.
Amazing! It seems that the graphics do not keep up. The war mage stands there with his sword in the air, seemingly idle, but you can see you switch back and forth all the time in the item bar and you keep on hitting orcs. I'm an XBOX-player myself and this tactic cannot be done as easily with a controller, I think.
You're right, sometimes he does switch about, it might be me getting the timing off as well occasionally :D
It wasn't even a perfect run, over 600k with this strat should be possible, this was probably my 5th try with this tactic overall, with some deviation in average score this probably is not the ceiling on the score.
The same/similar strat can be applied to most levels. The only ones I can't apply this too as well are ones without the ceiling trap spaces like The Stream, the pounder makes a nice big difference.
Glad y'all liked the vid anyway - if there is one good thing that can be said to have come out of this today, is that this method can help some other people get good scores too, and maybe this can lead to even bigger things.
What started me thinking about this is asking myself the question "why can't we remove the bow from our trap list and bring something else?". So instead of removing the xbox, I made better use of it!
That was just epic! Orc killing to the max.
i dub it the "hippo hit" lol
hippo hit. lol I like it :D
Jo I apologise, again. That was cool.
The incoming times, well Robot needs to fix their systems then. Sorry that looked dodgy. Every time you did a map the time came in as under a minute or similar. Wasn't just me that thought that looked funny.
You can keep that score you deserve it. :)
Even I think the times look funny, and can't currently account for why... but the weapon switching is nuts. That's some serious orc ***-kicking. I'll see if there's anything we can figure out on our end about times.
No need for apologies. You came out of nowhere beat everything and posted hax times. Conclusion was pretty obvious. However after testing it does work. But not well on low power PCs. I got on my mates oc i7 loaded onslaught files and tested. Orcs hauled add. Faster than I'd ever seen. And combos came out like I'd never seen before. 9s everywhere. So credit to your new stat. You found something we didn't. As for scores they are governed as much by your PC as it is by you. Unfortunate. But true.
Laptop combo 1 in 50
High power PC 1 in 10
Having a high end computer is always nice, but it's not an end all. I'm running a amd athalon 7750 Dual core 2.70 and using the technique i jumped from from 108 k on the baths to 150k. But you also can't say "Your scoring high because of the weapons switching and high end computer" to get to 150k for, me i had to position my archers a bit different and some other things/insights ;) (i know their are many scores above mine on that level) .. So it takes skill, engenuity, testing and then a higher end pc helps.
I was visiting my parents the other weekend and fired up Orcs one night. I forget which map, I *think* it was "Twin Halls" and I got top score on it at the time.
My parents machine is a low to mid range machine at best with an AMD 4670 and C2D @ 2ghz. I ran at 720p res with the game detail set to low.
I haven't been able to beat that score since (although HHH and one or two others have).
My point being - my machine is a monster compared to it, but I don't do any better with it.
Yeah, that's my point though. Some systems run better scores. Out of curiosity I put load on my system using a CPU tester then played. My average score jumped 20I. System plays a huge part. question I isn't if it does its why.
so if there's a heavier load on you computer you score better? I found the opposite if that's what your saying, when i run fraps my score normally goes down. If this is the case it could be that the orcs death is queued and processed more sequentially since its competing for resources. I doubt it timestamps each kill.
No need for apologies?? after the crap you talked in that other thread? you don't cease to amaze me, really. The screenshots I posted showed correct times regardless of what "Steam" said, that should have been evidence enough. I totally proved you wrong and you had NOTHING to say as a result. And then you come in here a few days later and start saying "lol no need for apologiez guyz".
Please do me a favour Rogotin and stop posting in my threads if you have nothing worthwhile to say. I don't understand your animosity towards me but it's incredibly childish and I really am not interested in dealing with children.
On top of not apologising for acting like a tool, you are now trying to say my scores are as a result of having a good computer? The lols never end with you, seriously. If you must know my beefed up computer is running a 3-year old i7 processor which is not overclocked. Hardly state of the art, anyone who's purchased a PC in the last few years will have something as good if not better. Do people seriously do much gaming on laptops? I can't see it to be honest, I bet if you ask people here most if not all are running desktop computers.
As per Loki I find it harder to play when I used FRAPS to record. I suspect if anything is causing a difference it's framerate not the power of the computer. Even on a low-med powered PC you can turn the details down to up your frame rate and disable Vsync.
TBH It sounds like Rogotin is suffering from a nasty case of Sour Grapes....
Myself and 3 other work colleagues all play this game on Laptops :)
Although must admit mine is running an I7 with 2x GTX285m in SLi so performance is not an issue :)
Ha that's probably more powerful than my computer here then :P
Grow up dude
The PC power only really affects the score if the settings are unbalanced. For example: If you have your quality settings too high or low for your particular computer.
There is possibly an optimal setting for your PC. One computer doesn't really have an advantage over the other. It's just that one owner may have tweeked their computer to be more efficient. Having a faster computer isn't automatically an advantage. It may actually be a disadvantage, because if the load is extremely low and your computer is powerful. The kill box may get overran more easily. Someone may just be lucky and be close to the optimal settings with OMD default settings and not need to tweak as much as others.
Now with that said…. Computer performance isn’t the reason HHH has great scores.
He just owned all of us with his weapon switching.
What do expect? You show dodgy times in the log and a video doesn't show what's in the background. Looks dodgy, so gonna raise some suspicion. Given that the leaderboards are full of funny scores not a totally out of the blue thing either.